Hilo del Omega flightmaster

esperando · 23 Sep 2019

buenas, he encontrado algunos hilos sueltos en los que se pregunta por este modelo de cara a compras y similares, pero a parte del link al articulo de chronomaddox no he encontrado mucha informacion,

dado que por circunstancias he aprendido un poco de este modelo voy a poner aqui algunas cosas por si fueran de utilidad, estaria muy bien que pusierais lo que conozcais de este modelo, o que corrijais mis errores, gracias

lo primero dos chascarrillos,

. se trata de uno de los pocos rejoles de omega cuya denominacion se escribe en minúscula

. es tambien uno de los pocos omegas que no se podran reeditar, dado que omega vendio a seiko la denominacion fligthmaster

esperando · 23 Sep 2019

un gran articulo, quiza algun fallo en la identificacion del 026/036 como agujas naranja/cadmio, pero por lo demas muy valido

https://monochrome-watches.com/in-depth-the-omega-flightmaster-the-special-one/

The recent announcement of the revamped Speedmaster MkII from Omega seems to highlight a return to the company’s glorious past- and rightly so, in my honest opinion, since Omega has a large number of design gems in its vaults. However, it was the introduction of the Z-33 spacemaster that made me want to dig some more and present to you the highly radical Flightmaster, a watch that, when it was introduced in 1969, was considered way ahead of its time. Maybe it still is….

The 1960’s undoubtedly were hugely important for the Swiss watch industry; this was a memorable decade for chronographs and the other “tool” watches. The watch became the symbol of the adventurous human spirit, being worn by drivers and their crews when they went racing; by pilots as they broke speed and altitude records; by international travelers as they crossed the time zones of the world; by divers doing underwater exploration; by the adventurers as they climbed the tallest peaks. Especially in the field of chronographs the competition was intense. Omega, Breitling and Heuer competed with each other. Omega introduced the Speedmaster in 1957. By the end of the next decade, the “Speedy” was worn on the moon. Breitling proclaimed that it was the world’s leading manufacturer of precision instruments for aviation, with the Navitimer and the Cosmonaute. Heuer was the most dominant brand in racing, offering chronographs dashboard instruments and stopwatches.

Indeed, “tool chronographs” seemed to be coming into their own in the early 1960’s, with the leading brands developing purpose-built chronographs for an increasingly wide variety of demanding applications. In 1969, while the Swiss industry giants were preoccupied with developing the first automatic chronograph, Omega introduced in its catalogue a weird looking object, with a highly distinctive over-sized case, 3 crowns, 2 pushers and 7 (!!) hands. This radical chronograph was the iconic Flightmaster. A bold product placement from a company that never stopped introducing weird looking but highly functional watches (Ploprof anyone?).

So, in the year that led the Speedy go down in history as perhaps the most iconic chronograph of them all, what made Omega design and sell the flightmaster? A watch that challenges the onlookers by its duality (highly radical but extremely functional).

THE OMEGA FLIGHTMASTER
The Flightmaster is a variant of the Speedmaster line; it was designed, engineered and marketed towards “pilots” by Omega from 1969 through the early 1970’s. Omega period literature referred to the Flightmaster as a ‘Pilot’s watch that has rather more than a revolving bezel,’ a statement which actually held the purpose of showing to the market the superiority of their model in relation to other popular GMT watches like the Rolex GMT or the Glycine Airman. In these the second hour hand was not independently adjusted, so in order for the operator to see the second time zone, he had to use the revolving bezel as well. The Flightmaster though, has a 12 Hour-GMT complication. The hand moves independently and is set through the auxiliary crown located at 10 o’clock on the case.

The first striking characteristic of the watch is its case. At first glance even these days it’s a big and hefty watch, and for 1969, it was considered monster sized. It is 52mm in length, 46mm with the crowns, 43mm without, and 15mm thick, while its weight was at 139 grams. Cut from a single block of Swedish stainless steel, the upper case was pressed and tempered sixteen times before it assumed its unique elliptical shape designed to fit the contours of the wrist comfortably. Although a huge watch for the standards of the day, the Flightmaster benefited from its hidden lugs. The designers at Omega wanted a chronograph that would be big in order for professional pilots to be able to check the time instantly. The result was that the watch shape and taper actually dominated the wrist while at the same time fit and blended perfectly, even better than many smaller watches. It is a common expression (among collectors) that ‘actually the Flightmaster wears smaller than its dimensions indicate.’

In its case back omega put the outline of a DC-8 super 61 jet. The chronograph incorporated a patented retaining crystal system and it was waterproof for 6 atmospheres. After the movement had been inserted into the case and the stainless steel back screwed into place, the tempered mineral glass crystal was sealed in position by a unique jointing system. The watch has been tested under space conditions and works even in a complete vacuum. Actually the Russian Cosmonaut Alexei Leonov wore an Omega Flightmaster (ST145.036) during training for his command of the first crew for the first joint Soviet-American space mission under the ASTP program (Apollo-Soyuz Test Project). During the second mission (17/7/75) that was under his command, the Soyuz spacecraft docked with the US Apollo spacecraft – the first docking ever between two spacecraft from two different countries.

The second striking characteristic of the watch was its dial. Although it seems quite overwhelming, the Flightmaster is one of the most legible and simple chronos ever devised. The flightmaster was the first model, which incorporated the colour-coded pushers. The auxiliary crowns on the left side of the case have a circular indentation in them and are colour-coded to their function… Blue for the second hour hand, black for the under-crystal bezel. In addition, the pushers on the right side of the watch also have indentations on them as well and have yellow/orange paint on them. These are colour-keyed to the sub-register hands that indicate chronograph elapsed time. Another fact that stressed the attention to detail that the Omega engineers dedicated to the watch was that special ‘professional’ versions were supplied with yellow cadmium coated hands which were extra legible when aircraft cockpits were lit with infra-red lights.

At the heart of the Flightmaster (145.013) lies the calibre 910. The 910 (17 jewels and 21.600bph) is a manual wind calibre with 3 subdials (12h, 24h display and 30min) plus the independently set GMT hand. Actually the movement is a highly modified calibre 861, the brainchild of Albert Piguet. The lineage of this specific calibre is quite interesting. Omega launched the 27 CHRO C12 (27 is the movement diameter, CHRO is an abbreviation for chronograph, while C12 refers to a 12-hour timepiece) project jointly with Lemania in 1942, which led to the development of the new cal. 321 movement. This in turn was replaced in late 1968 by the cal. 861, which had some important differences. Firstly the chronograph function was simplified from a column wheel to a shuttle/cam system. Secondly, the balance wheel was changed from a screwed balance to a smooth balance, which allowed an increase in the frequency from 18,000 bph (2.5 HZ) to 21,600 bph (3 HZ). Lastly a flat balance spring was utilized, while the shape of the bridge also changed. The Lemania 1873 or Omega 861 became the workhorse movement for Omega and proved its value in the harshest conditions ever imagined -namely, space flights. So, with few alterations it was a logical choice for the Flightmaster.

The ref 145.013 was built in two variations: one with orange hands and one with yellow cadmium coated hands. In parallel one more variation of the 910 Flightmaster was the gold model (both case and bracelet) with ref BA

. This was probably one of the heaviest pieces built (250 grams), with only 200 pieces produced (with some sources lower this number to 40). The first of these was delivered to King Hussein of Jordan.

In 1971, Omega decided to change the Flightmaster. Many complained that they could not see if the watch was working or not due to the absence of a constant second hand. Another variation of the immortal calibre 861 was produced, this time with the running seconds on the 9 sub dial, the calibre 911. The reference number changed with two variations as well, the 145.026 and the 145.036. The .026 had orange hands and a flat crystal this time, while the .036 had the cadmium coated hands, a round heavy duty O-ring that safeguarded that the crystal would stay in place if a sudden decompression occurred in the cockpit of an aircraft, while the waterproof rating was raised to 12 atmospheres.

While under the shadow cast by the iconic Speedmaster, this watch has nonetheless played an important role for Omega by allowing the company to have a product in its catalogue that is specifically made for pilots -something to compete with Breitling’s Aerospace models. There have been two attempts/models that can be considered the spiritual offspring of the Flightmaster. Since the 70’s, Omega has developed and introduced for sale the Speedmaster Professional X-33 “Mars Watch,” which is Quartz movement watch and the spiritual successor to the Flightmaster. In fact, early beta versions of the X-33 were even called Flightmaster, and were so marked. The second attempt is much more recent and was promoted by Omega as the Z-33 Spacemaster, which was reviewed by Max Reddick.

The Flightmaster has a somewhat undeserved reputation with some as being a “Monster-sized” watch, while others complain about its ‘complexity.’ I beg to differ: the Flightmaster is perhaps the ultimate pilot chronograph. Every part of the watch has been carefully considered and the chronograph born of the research design and development is a practical instrument – specially made for the pilot. True to its raison d’etre (producing chronograph tool watches), Omega never side-lined the construction and offering of more specialized tool chronos, and while all fall under the heavy shadow cast by the immortal Speedmaster, they nevertheless are truly unique. Perhaps the Flightmaster is the most exotic pilot chronograph of them all. Its size and overall design and surely the timing of its introduction make it a watch which even today never ceases to astonish watch connoisseurs.

PARDESOL · 23 Sep 2019

Acompaño con un Flightmaster calibre 911...

esperando · 23 Sep 2019

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interesante reflexion al comienzo de un articulo que hace referencia a la subasta del “flight” de michael crichton, es evidentemente un modelo apartado del collectors mainstream

There's something about the Omega flightmaster that's prevented it from garnering mainstream admiration from the watch collecting community. The "f" in flightmaster isn't a typo, either. It's the only model produced by Omega to feature a lowercase leading letter in its name. It certainly enjoys a minor cult following, but it hasn't earned nearly the same sort of admiration from the watch community as the Speedmaster or Seamaster series, although the movement – the caliber 910 – is based on the same cal. 861 inside, and features the same triple-register layout as the Speedmaster. While it never went to the moon with NASA, it was worn by cosmonauts. Maybe it's the offbeat case design, or the lack of resemblance to any other pilot's watch(or any watch for that matter), putting the design in a strange no-man's land. Either way, it’s a relatively under-the-radar watch.

But it is exactly the kind of watch that might appeal to a '70s sci-fi nerd. The design even looks like a spaceship. The thematic motif of color-coded hands and pushers would look right at home in the cockpit of the Millenium Falcon. It turns out the flightmaster did indeed appeal to the type of prolific author that wrote '70s science fiction, too.

y el link al articulo,

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/found-flightmaster-chrichton

tal y como se estan poniendo las subastas de relojes de personajes de hollywood, newman, brando,...a saber si esto resucita el interes por el flight...

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AbderramanII · 23 Sep 2019

Un modelo que me encanta y que coincido en que tiene una inmerecida fama de "tocho". Fue lo que más me sorprendió la primera vez que vi uno en persona: lo poco voluminoso que es y lo discreto que se lleva en la muñeca. Siempre había tenido la impresión de que su caja era similar a la del Mark III, pero sólo se parecen en la silueta.

Gracias por los apuntes :ok:

:

esperando · 23 Sep 2019

gracias por las aportaciones

ilustremos esto un poco,

mision conjunta soyuz/apollo, luego hablaremos de esto, el comandante ruso se empeño en llevar un flight hasta para ir al baño,...

este señor

comparando los dos calibres 911 y 910

de maddox

interesante articulo,luego lo añado

el cosmonauta mencionado

910

911

el santo grial, con caja y papeles

esperando · 23 Sep 2019

otra vuelta de tuerca al tema flight, creo que atendiendo a una serie de noticias en torno al modelo en cuestion tendremos revalorizacion en ciernes,...

lean, lean lo que paso con la soyuz,.”...a short summary from a telephone conversation that took place on May 12, 1975 between General Stafford and OMEGA’s Dr. Hans Widmer mentions that General Stafford “confirms that the Russian cosmonauts will wear the Flightmaster” in flight”

tenia su aquel porque se pretendia que todos usasen el mismo reloj en la mision conjunta soyuz/apollo y los americanos votaban por el speedmaster-moon cal 321 / 861,

...aqui articulo completo:

https://www.watchbooksonly.com/omeg...watch-stories/flightmasters-and-apollo-soyuz/

esperando · 23 Sep 2019

detalles,

Four models made:

St145.013 910 calibre
st145.026 911 calibre
st145.036 911 calibre
BA345.0801 910 calibre in 18ct Gold

Similarities/ Differences:

The 910 calibre has a 24h register at 9 oclock,with a green sub dial. The 911 calibre has a running seconds at 9 o clock, same as Speedie Pro. The Difference between the 026 and 036 is the fitting of the glass. 026 has a rubber seal, which has been known to pop out, and 036 has a plastic seal, which will hold the glass in tightly, an advange when you are at great altitude! The 013 has a convex mineral glass, the 026 and 036 have flat mineral glasses. The gold flightmaster is Uber rare, and pretty pricey. If it is one of the super rare ones that came with a n 18ct bracelet, it weighs in at 500g of Gold! There is a mixture of hands, the yellow cadmium hands are more desirable and no longer available. The cadmium coating is designed to glow under the cabin instrument lights.

esperando · 23 Sep 2019

comparaciones

[FONT=&quot]comparing 910 a 415.013
[FONT=&quot]with 911 a 415.026[/FONT]

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[FONT=&quot]aesthetically they differ a lot, but dimensions are not so different[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]case back diameter 910 (35mm) 911 (35mm)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]glass diameter 910 (37mm) 911 (36,6mm)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]case length 910 (52,5mm) 911(52,8mm)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]total thickness from case back to top glass 910 (16mm) 911 (15,7mm)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]case width 910 (43,5mm) 911 (43mm)[/FONT][/FONT]

marlowe · 23 Sep 2019

Precioso, Manuel.
Futuro objetivo para mí, el flightmaster.
Me encanta.

PARDESOL dijo:
Acompaño con un Flightmaster calibre 911...

Ver el archivos adjunto 731428

Goldoff · 23 Sep 2019

Hola,

bienvenido a RE, antes de nada.

Luego, voy a pedirte dos cosas: una es que pongas el hilo en el subforo de Omega (yo lo moveré ahí en un rato). La otra, mucho más importante, es que no copies textos completos -literales- de otras webs. Está perfecto poner el enlace, pero si quieres aportar algo más de lo que ya hay allí tal vez podrías poner la traducción al castellano, ya que muchos de los compañeros todavía andan peleados con el inglés.

Gracias

spacemission · 23 Sep 2019

En mi opinión, el Flightmaster ha sido siempre un reloj super infravalorado y denostado. Yo siempre lo tuve en un pedestal y me parecía/parece un crono espectacular ¿Se viene una revalorización? Por desgracia o por suerte ya ha ocurrido. Espero que no nos volvamos locos y el precio no se vaya mucho más allá del antiguo medio millón de pelas.

Ese medio kilo era lo que tenía que haber costado hace tiempo. Pero por favor, ya se están pidiendo más de 4000 euros y eso es una aberración. Estos hilos están de pxxx madre para ayudar a los aficionados y no para contribuir a que ganen dinero los caraduras y los tontos de turno malgasten su dinero. Las cosas claras y el chocolate espeso.

spacemission · 23 Sep 2019

Por cierto, la versión de oro es el que realmente vale pasta y es muy raro de ver, así como coleccionable. Tuve la suerte de tenerlo en mis manos.

Peterkien · 23 Sep 2019

Bienvenido un hilo sobre un icono de la relojería algo olvidado. Se agradece por fin algo de info y fotos interesantes y no otro hilo del tipo "¿te metes el dedo en la nariz de la mano que llevas el reloj o de la otra?"
Dicho lo cual, nos adherimos al jefe respecto del problema legal en que se puede convertir el "cortar y pegar" de otro blog.
Para los que tengan problemas con el inglés, una referencia en español un poco más breve puede hallarse en:

http://www.speedmaster.es/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=22:omega-flightmaster&Itemid=2

para los que busquen una referencia más amplia sobre las cajas Pilot de Omega también me parece interesante:

http://www.old-omegas.com/pilotline.html

A mí siempre me han parecido los flightmaster unos relojes preciosos y si se revalorizan... creo que se les hace justicia. No comparto que ningún modelo concreto de reloj (y menos éste) deba ver su precio petrificado en ningún nivel, mientras que otros de nueva fabricación o distribución se venden alegremente con sobreprecios del 30%. Después de todo, un vistazo a los principales buscadores de relojes (sin necesidad de poner nombres) arroja unos resultados en torno a 50 en todo el mundo. No me extraña que quien tenga uno se lo haga pagar. Cuestión distinta es que dentro de unos días aparezca uno sospechosamente en el foro de compraventa...

GranTorino · 23 Sep 2019

Hola,

Es un reloj poderoso, me gusta mucho los colores que eligieron para el dial.

Saludos

Superstar · 23 Sep 2019

PARDESOL dijo:
Acompaño con un Flightmaster calibre 911...

Ver el archivos adjunto 731428

Que omega mas bonito compañero, quien tuviera una pieza así... Disfrútalo.

AbderramanII · 23 Sep 2019

Peterkien dijo:
....para los que busquen una referencia más amplia sobre las cajas Pilot de Omega también me parece interesante:

http://www.old-omegas.com/pilotline.html

...

¡Interesantes enlaces, Peter! :ok:

: Permíteme que complete la relación a que hace referencia el enlace de las cajas pilot con la anecdótica y escasa versión lady de esa preciosa silueta de caja. Que yo sepa, se comercializó solo en modelo Seamaster

Esta "pequeña" olvidada mantiene, para mí, la potencia y el encanto de las versiones masculinas y, sobre todo, nos permite a quienes tenemos ridiminimuñecas pasear este peculiar diseño de caja sin dislocarnos la muñeca :yhoo::

esperando · 23 Sep 2019

Goldoff dijo:
Hola,

bienvenido a RE, antes de nada.

Luego, voy a pedirte dos cosas: una es que pongas el hilo en el subforo de Omega (yo lo moveré ahí en un rato). La otra, mucho más importante, es que no copies textos completos -literales- de otras webs. Está perfecto poner el enlace, pero si quieres aportar algo más de lo que ya hay allí tal vez podrías poner la traducción al castellano, ya que muchos de los compañeros todavía andan peleados con el inglés.

Gracias

hola, me presente ayer, pero no lo vieron quiza ? aqui mismo :

https://relojes-especiales.com/threads/vengo-en-un-momento.495933/

no sabia que habia un subforo de omega, la verdad es que aun no me aclaro mucho
gracias por moverlo tu

Cantabruca · 23 Sep 2019

AbderramanII dijo:
¡Interesantes enlaces, Peter! : Permíteme que complete la relación a que hace referencia el enlace de las cajas pilot con la anecdótica y escasa versión lady de esa preciosa silueta de caja. Que yo sepa, se comercializó solo en modelo Seamaster

Ver el archivos adjunto 731580

Esta "pequeña" olvidada mantiene, para mí, la potencia y el encanto de las versiones masculinas y, sobre todo, nos permite a quienes tenemos ridiminimuñecas pasear este peculiar diseño de caja sin dislocarnos la muñeca

Ver el archivos adjunto 731584

Me había olvidado de esa maravilla!!! Me encanta esa caja pilot, otra nueva crisis por tu culpa :dribble:

Peterkien · 23 Sep 2019

Muchas gracias Abderraman.

Y correspondiendo a tus amables comentarios y dado que esta semana es mi cumpleaños, en tu honor voy a hacer "mudanza de costumbre" y pondré unas fotos de algunos "ancianos venerables" que he ido coleccionando y que tienen que ver con este hilo de icónicos setenteros, digamos "peculiares":

La foto de familia:

Y aquí por partes, los flightmaster (uno de ellos fuertemente tropicalizado):

Y los Mark III:

A algunos seguramente les parecerá un montón de chatarra, pero para mí esto es una parte importante de la historia de la relojería...

Barullo · 23 Sep 2019

Buenas, sin duda de los omega mas bonitos y como dicen los compañeros algo olvidado, lo mismo le paso a los broadarrow
Muchas gracias por la aportaciones y enlaces
Pongo una foto del nieto del flighmaster

Que por supuesto su abuelo es mucho mas bonito, mucho, mucho

saludos

esperando · 23 Sep 2019

spacemission dijo:
En mi opinión, el Flightmaster ha sido siempre un reloj super infravalorado y denostado. Yo siempre lo tuve en un pedestal y me parecía/parece un crono espectacular ¿Se viene una revalorización? Por desgracia o por suerte ya ha ocurrido. Espero que no nos volvamos locos y el precio no se vaya mucho más allá del antiguo medio millón de pelas.

Ese medio kilo era lo que tenía que haber costado hace tiempo. Pero por favor, ya se están pidiendo más de 4000 euros y eso es una aberración. Estos hilos están de pxxx madre para ayudar a los aficionados y no para contribuir a que ganen dinero los caraduras y los tontos de turno malgasten su dinero. Las cosas claras y el chocolate espeso.

hay que distinguir entre lo que yo quiero y lo que pasa, y huir de la indignacion que supone que yo no me lo pueda permitir
ni caraduras, ni tontos, el mercado es libre y el dinero tambien

flyller · 23 Sep 2019

Tuve ambas referencias y como tantos otros salieron, la esfera de ambos modelos es una preciosidad, y aunque no lo parezca son cómodos de llevar estos modelos

boga · 23 Sep 2019

esperando dijo:
el comandante ruso se empeño en llevar un flight hasta para ir al baño,...
este señor

el cosmonauta mencionado

Ese "Comandante ruso" de la misión Apollo-Soyuz es nada menos que Alexei Leonov, la primera persona que se enfrentó el vacío espacial, diez años antes (1965).

Hace un par de años publiqué un par de hilos sobre él.

Uno, sobre su accidentadísima misión.
https://relojes-especiales.com/foros/foro-general/tierra-es-redonda-dijo-leonov-en-su-paseo-espacial-que-casi-no-vuelve-398271/

Y el otro, sobre el reloj que NO llevó en su paseo especial (aunque siempre se ha dicho que llevó un Strela, no llevó ningún reloj).
https://relojes-especiales.com/foros/foro-general/leonov-no-llevo-strela-ni-ningun-reloj-en-su-primer-paseo-espacial-speedmas-406362/

Lamentablemente, Photobucket ha hecho que las muchas fotos de los dos hilos se vean ahora borrosas (si tengo tiempo, las volveré a subir, desde otra plataforma).

El Omega, realmente especial. A mi, me gusta mucho.

spacemission · 23 Sep 2019

esperando dijo:
hay que distinguir entre lo que yo quiero y lo que pasa, y huir de la indignacion que supone que yo no me lo pueda permitir
ni caraduras, ni tontos, el mercado es libre y el dinero tambien

Ya, ya.

Hilo del Omega flightmaster

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AbderramanII

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marlowe

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Administrador de RE

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Ahora vuelve

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Muchas flores

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