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Hola compañeros. Hace uno año puje por unos relojes en eBay a un vendedor de la india. Por diferentes motivos los deje aparcados hasta hoy. Están rehechos pero me pregunté qué entrañas tendrán? Los he abierto y me encontrado esto, que os parece?
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sarfus35, ambos son manufactura propia. Enicar es una de las marcas de AR. Mira el nº que se lea en el segundo debajo de las letras AR y mira si en el primero aprecias algún nº debajo del volante.
[SIZE=+1]Enicar SA, Manufacture d'Horlogerie, La Chaux de Fonds, Lengnau, Bienne[/SIZE]
1913: Founded as Ariste Racine with the brands Enicar (Racine revers-spelled) and Longeaus in La Chaux de Fonds.
1917: Wide collection of lever- and cylinder watches, highlight: integrated compass.
1919: Registration in Lengnau.
1920: Independent ebauche manufacturing under the trademark AR.
1956: Using Enicar watches on the first Swiss Mount-Everest expedition lead to the model designation Sherpa.
1957: Model designation Ultrasonic due to first application of ultrasonic cleaning in watch manufacturing.
1962: First own automatic calibres, 1124 series.
Remarks
Enicar watches are usually of enhanced grade, and are known for rather rugged cases. Although Enicar was also a movement manufacturer, watches of other brands with Enicar movements are relatively rare.
Often also movements from other manufacturers were used, partially with the original designation, partially with Enicar designation. As far as no photos of movements with Enicar signature are available, they are replaced by examples with the original manufacturer signature. This gives already a reasonably broad survey over the calibres used by Enicar.
[SIZE=+1]Enicar SA, Manufacture d'Horlogerie, La Chaux de Fonds, Lengnau, Bienne[/SIZE]
1913: Founded as Ariste Racine with the brands Enicar (Racine revers-spelled) and Longeaus in La Chaux de Fonds.
1917: Wide collection of lever- and cylinder watches, highlight: integrated compass.
1919: Registration in Lengnau.
1920: Independent ebauche manufacturing under the trademark AR.
1956: Using Enicar watches on the first Swiss Mount-Everest expedition lead to the model designation Sherpa.
1957: Model designation Ultrasonic due to first application of ultrasonic cleaning in watch manufacturing.
1962: First own automatic calibres, 1124 series.
Remarks
Enicar watches are usually of enhanced grade, and are known for rather rugged cases. Although Enicar was also a movement manufacturer, watches of other brands with Enicar movements are relatively rare.
Often also movements from other manufacturers were used, partially with the original designation, partially with Enicar designation. As far as no photos of movements with Enicar signature are available, they are replaced by examples with the original manufacturer signature. This gives already a reasonably broad survey over the calibres used by Enicar.
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sarfus35
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sarfus35, ambos son manufactura propia. Enicar es una de las marcas de AR. Mira el nº que se lea en el segundo debajo de las letras AR y mira si en el primero aprecias algún nº debajo del volante.
[SIZE=+1]Enicar SA, Manufacture d'Horlogerie, La Chaux de Fonds, Lengnau, Bienne[/SIZE]
1913: Founded as Ariste Racine with the brands Enicar (Racine revers-spelled) and Longeaus in La Chaux de Fonds.
1917: Wide collection of lever- and cylinder watches, highlight: integrated compass.
1919: Registration in Lengnau.
1920: Independent ebauche manufacturing under the trademark AR.
1956: Using Enicar watches on the first Swiss Mount-Everest expedition lead to the model designation Sherpa.
1957: Model designation Ultrasonic due to first application of ultrasonic cleaning in watch manufacturing.
1962: First own automatic calibres, 1124 series.
Remarks
Enicar watches are usually of enhanced grade, and are known for rather rugged cases. Although Enicar was also a movement manufacturer, watches of other brands with Enicar movements are relatively rare.
Often also movements from other manufacturers were used, partially with the original designation, partially with Enicar designation. As far as no photos of movements with Enicar signature are available, they are replaced by examples with the original manufacturer signature. This gives already a reasonably broad survey over the calibres used by Enicar.
Buenos dias compañero.
Despues de dejarme los ojos intentando ver lo que pone si tienen numero.
El mecanico pone AR 1140
El automatico AR 1145 B
La verdad es que no entiendo nada de nada de mecanismos.
Lo que si que se , esuqe los indios han retocado las esefras.. ya que me dan que no son nada originales.
Alguna idea de que hacer?
mil gracias
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Este es el registro del Ultrasonic
[SIZE=+1]Enicar 1140
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Features
manual wind
sweep second
Data
11.75''', Dm= 26.4mm, Do= 26.8mm
H= 3.95mm
F= 1.2mm
T= 2.1mm
17 jewels
f = 18000 A/h
power reserve 47h
Balance staff U2707
Stem W2728
Mainspring / battery
Zf1044, 1.40 x 10.5 x 0.11 x 350mm
Hands
1.50 x 0.90 x 0.20mm
Remarks
strange: minute wheel running on ruby stud
family:
1140: manual wind
1141: manual, date
1143: manual, day, date
1144: automatic
1145: auto, date
1146: auto, 24h, date
1147: auto, day, date
Occasionally parts of other calibres or from the predecessor family were used. But always the gold color of all parts is uniform, and if signature changes were necessary, they were made bofore gold plating.
Thus, differently gilt parts and signatures not matching the features indicate part swapping.
Example, year: signature; shock device
ca.1965: Enicar Watch Co Swiss, 17 Jewels; Incabloc
[SIZE=+1]Enicar 1145B
[/SIZE]
Features
automatic
sweep second
date: set by changing 20-24h
Data
11.75''', Dm= 26.4mm, Do= 26.8mm
H= 5.3mm
(rotor bearing +0.1mm)
F= 1.2mm
T= 2.1mm
24 jewels
f = 18000 A/h
power reserve 45h
Balance staff U2707
Stem W2728
Mainspring / battery
1.40 x 10.5 x 0.11mm
Hands
1.50 x 0.90 x 0.20mm
Remarks
strange: minute wheel and automatic transmission wheel running on ruby studs
family:
1140: manual wind
1141: manual, date
1143: manual, day, date
1144: automatic
1145: auto, date
1146: auto, 24h, date
1147: auto, day, date
suffix B: manual winding gear with two intermediate wheels
suffix C: minor modifications
suffix D (on automatic bridge): new automatic gear
The variants B and C have a rotor with or without slot, and either yellow or pink gold plating.
Here only the known variants are listed.
Occasionally parts of other calibres or from the predecessor family were used. But always the gold color of all parts is uniform, and if signature changes were necessary, they were made bofore gold plating.
Thus, differently gilt parts and signatures not matching the features indicate part swapping.
Example, year: signature; shock device
1-2) ca.1970 : Enicar Watch Co Swiss, 24 Jewels; Incabloc
2-3) ca.1970 : Enicar Watch Co Swiss, Star Jewels, 24 Jewels; Incabloc
http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&2&2uswk&Enicar_1145B
| Enicar Ultrasonic | Manufacture d'Horlogerie Enicar SA | Kleinuhren, Gehäuse, Uhrwerke, Zifferblätter; Longeau (nähe Biel), Schweiz; registriert am 15.2.1954 |
[SIZE=+1]Enicar 1140
Features
manual wind
sweep second
Data
11.75''', Dm= 26.4mm, Do= 26.8mm
H= 3.95mm
F= 1.2mm
T= 2.1mm
17 jewels
f = 18000 A/h
power reserve 47h
Balance staff U2707
Stem W2728
Mainspring / battery
Zf1044, 1.40 x 10.5 x 0.11 x 350mm
Hands
1.50 x 0.90 x 0.20mm
Remarks
strange: minute wheel running on ruby stud
family:
1140: manual wind
1141: manual, date
1143: manual, day, date
1144: automatic
1145: auto, date
1146: auto, 24h, date
1147: auto, day, date
Occasionally parts of other calibres or from the predecessor family were used. But always the gold color of all parts is uniform, and if signature changes were necessary, they were made bofore gold plating.
Thus, differently gilt parts and signatures not matching the features indicate part swapping.
Example, year: signature; shock device
ca.1965: Enicar Watch Co Swiss, 17 Jewels; Incabloc
[SIZE=+1]Enicar 1145B
[/SIZE]
Features
automatic
sweep second
date: set by changing 20-24h
Data
11.75''', Dm= 26.4mm, Do= 26.8mm
H= 5.3mm
(rotor bearing +0.1mm)
F= 1.2mm
T= 2.1mm
24 jewels
f = 18000 A/h
power reserve 45h
Balance staff U2707
Stem W2728
Mainspring / battery
1.40 x 10.5 x 0.11mm
Hands
1.50 x 0.90 x 0.20mm
Remarks
strange: minute wheel and automatic transmission wheel running on ruby studs
family:
1140: manual wind
1141: manual, date
1143: manual, day, date
1144: automatic
1145: auto, date
1146: auto, 24h, date
1147: auto, day, date
suffix B: manual winding gear with two intermediate wheels
suffix C: minor modifications
suffix D (on automatic bridge): new automatic gear
The variants B and C have a rotor with or without slot, and either yellow or pink gold plating.
Here only the known variants are listed.
Occasionally parts of other calibres or from the predecessor family were used. But always the gold color of all parts is uniform, and if signature changes were necessary, they were made bofore gold plating.
Thus, differently gilt parts and signatures not matching the features indicate part swapping.
Example, year: signature; shock device
1-2) ca.1970 : Enicar Watch Co Swiss, 24 Jewels; Incabloc
2-3) ca.1970 : Enicar Watch Co Swiss, Star Jewels, 24 Jewels; Incabloc
http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&2&2uswk&Enicar_1145B
cesccat
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te va a gustar este enlace a un hilo de nuestro Crono-Historiador Nicolau. https://relojes-especiales.com/foros/vintages/relojes-enicar-124516/
UNA IMAGEN DE UN ULTRASONIC
http://the-watching.blogspot.com/2010/11/enicar-star-jewels.html
Su Web actual.
http://www.enicar.com
UNA IMAGEN DE UN ULTRASONIC
http://the-watching.blogspot.com/2010/11/enicar-star-jewels.html
Su Web actual.
http://www.enicar.com
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Zappp
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Los calibres son Enicar y las esferas no parece que hayan sufrido ninguna barrabasada. Es decir, que siendo retocadas, no lo han sido de forma fantasiosa. Esto ya es un punto positivo, nada que ver con Enicar indios de color morado con calibres que nada tienen que ver con la marca.
No sé que tal irán de marcha, porque en uno se aprecia óxido, pero no haría otra cosa que disfrutarlos sin complicaciones.
No sé que tal irán de marcha, porque en uno se aprecia óxido, pero no haría otra cosa que disfrutarlos sin complicaciones.
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sarfus35
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Gracias compañero. La verdad es que están tocados. El
Mecanico no anda y el automático le cuesta. Creo q cuando llegue a españa les darán una vuelta. Lo de las esferas ya no tiene solución. Yo pensaba que serían más grandes pero para mí muñeca son peques ;(
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