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Massa no tiene memoria

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7676048.stm

Lap 39: Heidfeld comes back to the BMW Sauber pits from second place which sees the two Ferraris loom over Hamilton's shoulder. Massa is just three seconds behind Raikkonen and the question is when will the Finn let his team-mate past?

Lap 44: The gap between the two Ferraris has diminished to 1.9 seconds now. No sign of Raikkonen moving over yet.

"There are all sorts of rumours flying around the paddock that even though Raikkonen has re-signed for Ferrari there are factions in the Ferrari team who are not happy with his performances this season. They are said to prefer Fernando Alonso joining the team. If Raikkonen is going to be eased out maybe he won't want to move over for his team-mate."
BBC 5 Live analyst Maurice Hamilton

Championship update: If the race finishes right now, Hamilton will take 10 points for the victory with Massa collecting six for third place. That means Hamilton will hold a nine-point lead over Massa going into the last race in Brazil. BUT Raikkonen is expected to concede second place to his Ferrari team-mate - no sign of that happening yet though.

Lap 45: At the front, Hamilton has a fairly insurmountable 13.9-second lead over Raikkonen, who is 2.0secs ahead of his Ferrari team-mate Massa. Kovalainen in the second McLaren is down in 15th place after his unfortunate puncture and that will have some bearing on the constructors' championship - as things stand Ferrari are leading McLaren by seven points.

Lap 48: Massa has Raikkonen in his sights now. He's 1.1secs behind.

Lap 49: And that's it. Massa looms large in Raikkonen's mirror and eases past his team-mate down the back straight ahead of the penultimate corner. Massa up into second, and eight points to the good in the title race.

"If it was team orders it's exactly the right thing for Ferrari to do," says BBC 5 Live commentator David Croft.

"It's fair enough as that's a repayment for last year when Massa did exactly the same thing and let Kimi past him in Brazil so he could win the championship," adds 5 Live analyst Maurice Hamilton.

Cito a la BBC para que no vayan diciendo por ahí que si el periodista era español y tal y cual ;-)
 
hombre, qué esperabas con el mamporrazo del año pasado.
 
Yo distinguiría entre los tabloids y la prensa seria. Los primeros son basura, nada más, así que no merece la pena prestarles atención. Los segundos ya son otra cosa.
 
Jesús dijo:
Yo distinguiría entre los tabloids y la prensa seria. Los primeros son basura, nada más, así que no merece la pena prestarles atención. Los segundos ya son otra cosa.
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Si, pero que en una rueda de prensa al acabar una carrea, exhausto y relativamente contento alguien te llame sucio campeón porque te "tenga manía", es intolerable. Sobre todo, la gente que decía que no tenía que haber colaborado con la FIA en el "caso del espionaje".

A los detractores de lo sucedido que han defendido a Massa, qué opinan de este video? Yo no lo recordaba, pero es bastante evidente...
 
caprichin dijo:
Si, pero que en una rueda de prensa al acabar una carrea, exhausto y relativamente contento alguien te llame sucio campeón porque te "tenga manía", es intolerable. Sobre todo, la gente que decía que no tenía que haber colaborado con la FIA en el "caso del espionaje".

A los detractores de lo sucedido que han defendido a Massa, qué opinan de este video? Yo no lo recordaba, pero es bastante evidente...
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la prensa especilizada le está metiendo muuucha caña.
 
Le mans dijo:
la prensa especilizada le está metiendo muuucha caña.
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Ejemplo? Es que sólo leo Autosport desde que Suso me dijo que era lo único que merecía la pena leer :-P;-)
 
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https://www.autocar.co.uk/opinion/motorsport/fallout-ferrari

On a less cynical note, Massa has been a longtime stalwart within the Ferrari F1 community and the Italian team stuck loyally by him during his protracted recovery from those head injuries he sustained during qualifying for last year’s Hungarian Grand Prix.

It would have been all too easy for the Ferrari managment to have dispensed with his services, but they remained steadfast and even rewarded him by renewing his contract for another two seasons beyond the end of 2010.

Therein lies the contradiction of what took place at Hockenheim on Sunday.

F1 is a team sport, but the key component – allowing the teams to decide what order their cars finish in – is specifically prohibited by the rules.

Perhaps the moment has arrived for the FIA to have a change of heart and make intra-team strategic decisions a matter for the competitors alone. And nobody else.
 
  • #11
Jesús dijo:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/opinion/motorsport/fallout-ferrari

On a less cynical note, Massa has been a longtime stalwart within the Ferrari F1 community and the Italian team stuck loyally by him during his protracted recovery from those head injuries he sustained during qualifying for last year’s Hungarian Grand Prix.

It would have been all too easy for the Ferrari managment to have dispensed with his services, but they remained steadfast and even rewarded him by renewing his contract for another two seasons beyond the end of 2010.

Therein lies the contradiction of what took place at Hockenheim on Sunday.

F1 is a team sport, but the key component – allowing the teams to decide what order their cars finish in – is specifically prohibited by the rules.

Perhaps the moment has arrived for the FIA to have a change of heart and make intra-team strategic decisions a matter for the competitors alone. And nobody else.
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Pues eso, lo que te he dicho varias veces. o permites órdenes de equipo, o cada equipo de un solo coche.
 
  • #13
https://www.autocar.co.uk/opinion/motorsport/alonsos-spanish-frustration

Alonso's Spanish frustration
Alan Henry

You can understand, perhaps, Fernando Alonso getting rather worked up to find his Ferrari pushed almost to the back of the field in Sunday’s European GP at Valencia after rival Lewis Hamilton survived a drive-through penalty without losing track position after the deployment of the safety car following Mark Webber’s huge accident.

Fernando got extremely stoked up about this matter, perhaps spending rather too much time unburdening his thoughts to the Ferrari team over the radio link to the pit wall, although by the end of the day team principal Stefano Domenicali was trying to play down talk that Maranello regarded the episode as a ‘scandal,’ a view initially aired on the Italian team’s website.

Domenicali said his biggest disappointment was the delay it took to punish Hamilton for overtaking the safety car, which had allowed him to build up a tactical cushion over Kamui Kobayashi so that he could to take a drive-through penalty without losing a position.

"Of course we are very angry because we didn't get the points that we should have got from this race – considering our performance," said Domenicali.

"If I have an analysis of this weekend from a technical point of view then we made a step forward, not enough for sure to catch mainly the Red Bull, but it was in the right direction.

"We saw the first lap of the race that the situation was progressing in the right direction, so on that at least we did the right step. But if you look at the classification of tonight, we had less points than the most difficult race we had this year. So it is very frustrating.”

Of course, the emotional baggage which exists between Alonso and Hamilton, from their fractious 2007 season as McLaren team-mates, gave an added twist to the irritation felt by the Spanish driver on his home turf.
 
  • #14
Tío, que ese es de hace un mes y el mío es de ayeeeeeer... :-P:-P:-P
 
  • #16
Mira la fecha del post encima de su careto ;-)
 
  • #19
Jesús dijo:
¿Que esté hablando de hace un mes y no de la carrera del fin de semana? Ah, nada, nada ::grr:::-P;-)
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que yo sepa estás habando del GP de china de 2008:laughing1::laughing1::laughing1::laughing1:que está aúnnnn más lejos en el tiempo
 
  • #22
Le mans dijo:
No pasa nada, es que no te fijas en las fechas:-P:D
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No, es que tú dices que:

Le mans dijo:
la prensa especilizada le está metiendo muuucha caña.
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Y te refieres a un post en un blog de Autocar de hace un mes. Y yo te señalo otro de ayer, defendiendo la acción de Ferrari (no de Alonso, sino del equipo con Domenicali a la cabeza, respaldado por Montezemolo) y tú me vienes mareando la perdiz :pardon::-P;-)

¿No tienes nada que comentar al último post de tu propia fuente? ;-)
 
  • #23
Jesús dijo:
No, es que tú dices que:



Y te refieres a un post en un blog de Autocar de hace un mes. Y yo te señalo otro de ayer, defendiendo la acción de Ferrari (no de Alonso, sino del equipo con Domenicali a la cabeza, respaldado por Montezemolo) y tú me vienes mareando la perdiz :pardon::-P;-)

¿No tienes nada que comentar al último post de tu propia fuente? ;-)
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buff, si empezamos con las multicitas y demás paso, estás obsesionado con el tema Alonso.:D;-)

paso de los barsa-madrid style:-P
 
  • #24
Memoria no sé, pero de lo que estoy seguro es que Massa no entiende de sutilezas.

Después de un intento de adelantamiento por parte de Alonso a Massa (donde Massa se defiende), Alonso le deja una ventaja de 4 segundos, para pocas vueltas después volver a estar a 1 segundo de Massa... eso en mi pueblo es: "Macho, no ves que soy más rápido que tú, quítate de una puñetera vez, o nos jugamos un toque...".

Por eso a Massa su ingeniero no le puede decir: "Ahorra combustible" ya que no lo entendería, de hecho cuando su ingeniero le dice que Alonso es más rápido que él, lo tiene que verificar con la coletilla "LO HAS ENTENDIDO"..., le faltó decir "COÑO".

No creo que estén muy contentos en Ferrari con Massa.
 
  • #25
Le mans dijo:
buff, si empezamos con las multicitas y demás paso, estás obsesionado con el tema Alonso.:D;-)

paso de los barsa-madrid style:-P
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Perdona pero Jesús no está obsesionado con Fernando Alonso, es el resto de aficionados, escuderías, patrocinadores, comisarios, FIA, azafatas, prensa, el padre de Hamilton, y el resto de seres de este planeta que le tienen manía. Jesús sólo quierte que conozcamos la verdad y se esfuerza en cuerpo y alma en enseñarnos el camino correcto.
:umbrella::popcorn::popcorn::umbrella:
 
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