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RGM 801 Corps Of Engineers

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Ayer trasteando por internet y leyendo artículos en webs de relojería me encontré, en Hodinkee, con este reloj de un marca americana que desconocía.

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Se trata de un reloj con aire "vintage", en imitación a otros del pasado con ese "look" de reloj de aviador o militar de la Primera Guerra Mundial, que cuenta con 42 mm de diámetro y 10 mm de espesor, y que en este caso lleva una esfera esmaltada y un movimiento de carga manual (parece que manufactura) a 2,5 Hz, con una reserva de marcha de 44 horas.

¿Lo conocíais? ¿Sabéis algo más de este calibre? Al margen de su precio (9.700 dólares, con correa) ¿qué os parece su estética y acabados?

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/the-rgm-801-corps-of-engineers-watch-with-enamel-dial




"Tengo gustos muy simples. Me siento satisfecho con lo mejor".
Oscar Wilde.
 
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Ya lo había visto. Me gusta todo menos el precio
 
Coincido con Laneko69. Ese estilo tipo Longines Spirit con los números en crema me encanta. Por el precio y la imagen sí que diría que debe ser manofactura, pero por estos lares es la primera vez que veo la marca.
Seguro que algún gurú nos saca de la ignorancia.
 
Es una compañía joven, de 1992 y en su página aparecen otros relojes interesantes. Gracias por despertar mi curiosidad.:ok::
 
Es una clara "inspiración" en algunos relojes de bolsillo de hace unos 100 años, como estos Vacheron Constantin o Ulysse Nardin:

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"Tengo gustos muy simples. Me siento satisfecho con lo mejor".
Oscar Wilde.
 
Un reloj precioso....estilo vintage muy parecido algún zenith y al nuevo PP
 
Relojes estadounidenses de manufactura, desde donde se hacían los Hamilton.

Si los conocía, si...

https://relojes-especiales.com/threads/un-tourbillon-manufactura-americano-rgm-pennsylvania.186016/

...incluso hace poco dije que me encantaría tener uno.



Edito: han debido cambiar la web y no se ven las fotos. Lástima.
 
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Está en la lengua del imperio, pero podeis tirar de Google Traslate.

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A look inside the luxury timepieces of RGM Watch Company

Glance at the watch on your wrist. It may be modest or magnificent but, almost certainly, it isn’t American-made.

The modern watch business is dominated by European and Asian manufacturers at both the high and low ends. As a result, most of us have forgotten that for nearly a century, from the 1870s to the 1950s, storied American watch manufacturers like Hamilton and Bulova were known the world over for mass producing quality timepieces.

But the diversion of American precision manufacturing for World War II and the quartz-watch technical revolution of the 1960s reduced watchmaking in the U.S. to a shadow of itself. By the mid-1970s, the market for mechanical watches had all but evaporated, and with it went America’s manufacturers.

Today, while there are a few brands that claim to be “American made,” there is really only one: RGM Watch Company in the small, quiet town of Mount Joy, Pa. RGM is keeping alive the watchmaking skills, processes and techniques that have nearly vanished from this country — and it is doing so successfully by being a low-volume niche business.

RGM is named for its founder, Roland G. Murphy, a Marylander who spent his high school years learning cabinetmaking and working at Danecker Clock Company, which specialized in grandfather clocks. There, his curiosity in timepieces was piqued, and he began tinkering with clock movements, disassembling them and successfully putting them back together.

That hands-on time led Murphy to #Bowman Technical School in Lancaster, Pa., in 1980. The renowned #watch and jewelry school cemented his interest in the techniques and history of watchmaking, leading him to become acquainted with the legacy that made America’s industry great. “I wasn’t just learning,” Murphy asserts, “I was very much an enthusiast.”
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RGM Watch Company's founder, Roland G. Murphy
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Lancaster had been a hub of America’s watch industry since the 19th century, but in the 1970s, its premier firm, the Hamilton Watch Company, moved a portion of its operations to Switzerland. This country was the last bastion of mechanical watchmaking, and after Bowman, Murphy went there as a trainee in the Watchmakers of Switzerland Training and Educational Program (WOSTEP).

Valuable though his WOSTEP training was, Murphy graduated just before the industry began to boom again. With few job offers, he returned to Lancaster, where he landed a product-development position with the Hamilton Watch Company. His enthusiasm and traditional watchmaking knowledge helped him to take on a varied role and, in the process, he learned product development, supplier relations and logistics.

“I had a watchmaking-and-restoration background, and I was getting an education in how the modern industry worked,” he recalls.

Murphy stayed with #Hamilton until about 1991, doing his own restoration work on the side. By that time, he was losing interest in corporate watchmaking.

“The product was getting cheaper,” he says. “When I started, we still made gold and gold-filled [watch] cases. By the time I left, we had maybe three microns of gold in a case. It was just about money.”

Money has never been a prime motivator for Murphy, but the passion and desire to build lasting mechanical timepieces is. When he formed RGM Watches in 1992, his goal was merely to ply his craft on his own terms.
“There was no grand plan to establish a brand,” he admits. “I thought I’d start a business and see what I could do.”


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RGM custom-made Caliber 20 in a platinum case, with a guilloche rose-gold dial
Courtesy RGM Watch Company


Working from his attic, Murphy launched the company by doing watch restoration and repair, and by buying and selling watches while he designed the first RGM watches. Rendered in classic styles, they used Swiss components, and Murphy relied on proven suppliers and connections he had from a generation of watchmaking executives that was rapidly disappearing.

“They were still people you could work with as a little guy. I could go over there to a case company and sit at the table with the guy who ran it, and he would help me out. I meant nothing to them financially. They liked my passion. If I tried to do [today] what I did then? No way.”

Though RGM assembled high-grade watches based around Swiss movements, Murphy’s ambition was to become a watch manfacture, a French term denoting a firm that fabricates nearly all of its parts. Despite marketing-speak to the contrary, at the time, only a handful of firms actually fit that description, and all were in Europe.

“There was no grand plan to establish a brand. I thought I’d start a business and see what I could do.”

“The term watchmaker is not a very accurate term,” Murphy explains. “It’s used mostly to describe people who repair watches, not for people who make watches. I didn’t just want to be a watchmaker who cases-up somebody else’s movement.”

Murphy decided to make his own movements in 2000, embarking on a daunting intellectual, experimental and artistic process. It took seven years. Along the way, he found the artisans he needed and a place to put them, establishing the RGM headquarters in a former bank building, complete with its original vault. There, six watchmakers, including Murphy, craft watches based on three different RGM movements: Calibers 801 and 20, and the nearly $100,000 Pennsylvania Tourbillon.

The Caliber 20 and the Pennsylvania Tourbillon require anywhere from six months to a year to make, and thus far, the company has made fewer than 200. They are true luxury items, hand-fabricated using RGM’s own jigs and tooling. The dials, hands and most movement pieces are made in-house using a combination of vintage machines and modern CNC machines. RGM is known particularly for its “guilloché” dials, intricately patterned using machines Murphy has personally collected.

Where RGM cannot technically or economically make a component, it is sourced locally. Watch cases, for example, come from a precision machine firm a few miles away to be finished and assembled in the old bank. More than 90 percent of the content of RGM’s proprietary Caliber and Tourbillon watches is made in Pennsylvania.
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The American Made 801 has 19 jewels, beats at 18,000 vph and is available in rhodium or gold, finished in Cote de Geneve and perlage
Courtesy RGM Watch Company



RGM continues to sell watches based on Swiss movements at prices starting at $2,500 because it’s important to Murphy to serve the clients who got him started. Even at this price point, though, he asserts they are the most American-made watches you can buy today. (Swiss movements notwithstanding, they use made-in-America components, fabricated in-house or sourced locally.)

“I see people trying to emulate that. They’re assembling Swiss quartz movements here and sourcing cases from Asia and they’re [the subject of] articles that say ‘American-made’. You can imagine how that makes me feel.”

RGM’s classic movements echo those of America’s first and finest makers, using proven teeth shapes and shying away from exotic materials because Murphy insists they be reliable and, unlike other haute horlogerie watches, repairable decades from now.

“My business has never been run strictly as a business,” Murphy says quietly. “I’m sure, at times, that’s hurt me.”

Possibly. But for anyone with a serious affinity for luxury timepieces and a desire for an expertly crafted American mechanical watch, it has surely helped.


Eric Tegler is a Maryland-based writer, broadcaster and photographer whose work appears in a wide variety of publications, from Aviation Week to Wired. He’s been fascinated by watches since childhood and indulges his enthusiasm during extended stays in Switzerland.


 
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De esta marca solo me gustan el que he puesto en el hilo (el 801) y también este otro:


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Los demás me resultan sobrecargados o con falta de armonía estética. Es algo subjetivo, por supuesto.

Por otra parte no deja de "inspirarse" en otros relojes de otras marcas. De hecho este que acabo de colgar me recuerda a algún Habring2. No se quien lo hizo primero. Y otros a algún Breguet, etc.

Cuando el "homenaje" es a algún reloj desaparecido, como este 801 del hilo, no me desagrada.


"Tengo gustos muy simples. Me siento satisfecho con lo mejor".
Oscar Wilde.
 
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Con el precio que tienen creo que el 99% de la gente se tiraría a ver opciones suizas.

A mi personalmente me gusta, pero sólo el hecho de garantías/reparaciones me echaría para atrás aun valiendo mucho menos.
 
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Conozco la marca, tengo uno, no de los de manufactura. Solo puedo decir que me gusta mucho sus acabados, pero no pagaria lo que vale su PVP.
 
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Preciosos números con efecto relieve! :dribble:
 
  • #16
lo que digo siempre me gusta mas por detras que por delante jejeje
 
  • #17
Por detrás es precioso. Cierto.
Y tiene razón Cateye, en cuanto a que las reparaciones, revisiones o garantías son complicadas si no tiene CO en España.


"Tengo gustos muy simples. Me siento satisfecho con lo mejor".
Oscar Wilde.
 
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Ay... el precio. Siempre el precio. Pero es lindo. Y todo emprendimiento joven es bienvenido
 
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Pero Juanjo.... No tiene datario!


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Pero Juanjo.... No tiene datario!


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Mecachis!
Pues ya no lo quiero! [emoji6]


"Tengo gustos muy simples. Me siento satisfecho con lo mejor".
Oscar Wilde.
 
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De esta marca solo me gustan el que he puesto en el hilo (el 801) y también este otro:


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Si te interesa tener un reloj con calibre Hamilton 917, 921, 923 ó 945, tampoco tiene porqué salir rematadamente caro como si se lo compraras a RGM o a p.e. Tourby.

Sería buscar un reloj de bolsillo con el calibre manufactura de Hamilton de turno por ebay.

Ej. Hami 917.
https://www.ebay.es/sch/i.html?_udl...313&_odkw=hamilton pocket watch 923&_osacat=0


Luego, mirar fornitura. P.e. Helenarou.
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Y finalmente, llevarselo a un relojero y que haga una revisión al calibre y lo monte en la nueva fornitura.
 
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Si te interesa tener un reloj con calibre Hamilton 917, 921, 923 ó 945, tampoco tiene porqué salir rematadamente caro como si se lo compraras a RGM o a p.e. Tourby.

Sería buscar un reloj de bolsillo con el calibre manufactura de Hamilton de turno por ebay.

Ej. Hami 917.
https://www.ebay.es/sch/i.html?_udl...313&_odkw=hamilton pocket watch 923&_osacat=0


Luego, mirar fornitura. P.e. Helenarou.
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Y finalmente, llevarselo a un relojero y que haga una revisión al calibre y lo monte en la nueva fornitura.

A mi eso me parece ciencia ficción.
No sé cómo se hace todo eso, pero suena interesante.


"Tengo gustos muy simples. Me siento satisfecho con lo mejor".
Oscar Wilde.
 
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Lo único que no me gusta es el precio.
 
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Pues en EBay hay buenas opciones con calibres similares, a precios más contenidos.
Saludos
 
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Con la misma estética, pero algo más accesible...

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490 €uerets, con un ETA UNITAS 6498, by los germanos de Steinhart[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif].[/FONT]
 
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